A bunch of people sent me the link to the story below today about two expats getting deported because they fought over a parking lot:
Two Asian men who fought over a car parking spot were arrested by police. The fight started in a Salmiya parking lot, and police were called to break it up. One of the Asians sustained a head wound, so he was taken to Mubarak hospital, while the other man was sent to the police station. Both will be deported. [Source]
Should they be punished? Yes. Deported? No way.
In the paper a day earlier there were two other reports of fights as well (pictured above). One was related to a husband beating his wife and another related to three girls fighting at a cafe. Were they also deported? I doubt it. This whole deportation thing is unjust, confusing and it doesn’t look like it will be applied to everyone.
51 replies on “Two Deported for Fighting”
I wonder where will Kuwaitis be deported off to :p
Prison.
LANDAN
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Haha!! :)))
Good riddance.
ee wallah good riddance.
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How about we let Kuwaitis and only Kuwaitis decide who gets to stay in their home? You can whine all you want about this being “your” country, but the fact is that if you are not a Kuwaiti citizen, it’s not your country. They get to decide that, no one else.
How does a fight justify deportation. It sometimes doesn’t even require a fine or prison time. It’s not about who owns the country.
No, fights do justify deportation. Fighting isn’t a misdemeanor in Kuwait, it’s a crime punishable by jail time of 1 year or more.
Kuwaiti newspapers tend to focus on tabloid journalism, they don’t show the whole side to the story. Many of the deported expats have criminal backgrounds or have committed crimes in Kuwait.
Fun fact:
Did you know that Kuwait’s government discovered, a few years ago, that most migrant workers they received from Bangladesh were ex-convicts?
Bangladesh’s government tried to hide this important bit of information about the workers they sent to Kuwait, and the only we way we found out about it was through the help of neighboring countries.
How about letting them be tried in court first and being proven to be guilty before deporting ? Isn’t that a basic human right ?
You have no “human right” to live in another’s home without their consent. They and they alone will determine under what circumstances you remain in their home.
You just threw the notion of human rights right out, congrats
Do you honestly believe that you have some kind of RIGHT to just squat wherever you feel like? Please cite any Human Rights document which says stupid shit like that.
Sure, here you go: https://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/
Feeling stupid now aren’t you?
Nowhere does it state that a sovereign nation cannot unilaterally decide who can legally reside in their nation.
yeah how about we see some PROOF for these fun facts of yours?!
FUn fact: Kuwaitis commit just as many crimes but suffer few consequences in comparison
There is NO country in the world that does NOT deport non citizens for breaking the law including fighting. In the United States of America I have personally known foreigners who have list the homes they owned legally over something like having a parking ticket and being deported for it. Many foreigners in the USA end up deported for small infractions like speeding tickets, fighting and not having a driver’s license. The UK and many Euro countries have the same laws in place that can have you deported for minor infractions. Even in Egypt during Mubarak’s time I saw other fellow Americans deported for defending themselves in a fight that Egyptians caused. Ofcourse the Egyptian was jailed while the American deported because it was the Egyptian’s country. Every loves to put down Kuwait but they still stay. This means that regardless they find the benefits of staying far outway them leaving. As an foreigner in this country I have benefited way more than I ever have living in the USA and it has become my home. Therefore, I take it with its defects as well as its positives. I highly recommend those of you foreigners here in Kuwait to watch some of the American films such as a Better Life which document the struggles that Foreigners both legal and illegal as well as citizen and non citizens face before you judge Kuwait so harshly.
This is over exaggeration to defend Kuwait unjust actions so you can sleep better at night.
“There is NO country in the world that does NOT deport non citizens for breaking the law including fighting”
Well said and I agree with this statement. The blog owner needs to stop posting such nonsense and if he doesn’t like it, he can move else where.
You can agree with that statement but doesn’t make you right and I’m surely not going to change my stance on this. Kuwait is probably the only country in the world where u can get deported for misdemeanor offenses.
On the contrary I am glad to finally see prominent expats raising such issues.
It is a simple fact that expats and citizens are a necessary part of the equation that allows this economy to grow and sustain itself. This disrespect towards expats is unnecessary and is creating a very hostile and uncivilized mentality among citizens.
No idea where you get your information from but it’s wrong and a quick Google is enough for anyone to realize that.
I just quickly read up on the U.S. Law and this is what I found out. If you’ve lived in the U.S. for less than 5 years and you commit a crime that could result in a sentence of 1 year or more you could get deported. Fighting over parking wouldn’t get you deported because it would not earn you any prison time at all and just be considered a misdemeanor and you would get fined. That also means driving without a license (like you don’t have any license from any country) wouldn’t get you deported in the U.S. because your first offense would be considered a misdemeanor as well and involve a fine.
Keep in mind this applies only if you’ve been in the U.S. for less than 5 years, and not for people who have been living there longer.
One more thing, in the U.S. you would get a trial first, these two guys aren’t getting a trial.
That last part is really the only important fact. There is no trial, so by definition it is illegal and arbitrary.
Every country’s government has the right to deport trouble making expats. Would you rather be deported back to your country or spend like some years in jail without any ability to support the family back home. If you think the law is bad here go checkup on how some Asian countries deal with expats.
Why would u spend years in jail for fighting? You shouldn’t spend more than 24 hours for something petty like that. Nobody robbed a bank.
@mark I am not sure about Kuwait but in the USA if you get into a fight the minimum sentence is 6 month with a 3 year maximum sentence. If you are a non citizen you will serve your sentence and then be deported with a ban to enter the US.
In the USA if you get into a fight its considered a misdemeanor and you get fined. Google battery law. No deportation is involved.
It depends on the state.
I think you may be wrong here Mark-
‘Regardless, if you’re not a US citizen and you’re in the country, a criminal conviction may mean your deportation or removal from the US. That is, the federal government can send you back to your native country and bar you from re-entering the US.
Under US immigration law, a non-US citizen may be deported or removed from the country if she commits any of the following crimes:
Crimes of moral turpitude (CIMT). These crimes involve some act that’s base, depraved or vile. Examples include murder, rape and arson.
Aggravated felonies . The immigration law lists dozens of crimes that qualify as aggravated felonies, such as murder, rape and trafficking in drugs or firearms.
Failure to register as a sex offender. If you’re convicted of a sex-related crime and you’re required to register as a sex offender.
Drug-related crimes . You may be deported if you’re convicted of selling, distributing or possessing illegal drugs or “controlled substances.”
Gun-related crimes . A conviction for buying, selling, owning or carrying a firearm is a deportable offense
Crimes of domestic violence. This means any crime of violence you commit against a current or former spouse………. there are many other criminal convictions that may lead to deportation. https://www.lawyers.com/~/link.aspx?_id=A7FEB040AE494C9A85D16A45D8665E1E&_z=z
If I had a house party and a couple of guests were kicking sh*t out of each other, I’d throw them out tho.
But those crimes should carry a sentence of 1 year or more. Or else there is no fear of being deported.
Not so:
‘Be aware that, if you are convicted of a crime, the court is not likely to label it a “crime of moral turpitude” or an “aggravated felony.” You may simply be told that the crime is classified as, for example, a “misdemeanor” in your state. However, the immigration authorities will make their own judgment about how the crime is classified for immigration law purposes, with the result that certain misdemeanors can, in fact, make you deportable’….’ong the various crimes that can make a non-citizen of the United States deportable are so-called aggravated felonies. ‘
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@Mark This is an excerpt from a legal assistance website in California.
Q: During my first year in the U.S. after immigrating, I was convicted of a crime, but did not go to jail. Can I be deported?
A: Possibly. Conviction of a crime involving “moral turpitude” during the first five (5) years after being admitted to the U.S. is a common reason for deportation. “Moral turpitude” crimes include theft crimes such as burglary and possession of stolen property, or violent crimes such as assault and battery. There are many others. Even if you were not sentenced to jail time, you may be deportable if the crime you committed could have resulted in a sentence of one year or more in jail.
You can read more at https://www.oac.cdlib.org/view?docId=hb2j49n7f1&doc.view=entire_text
Yes, exactly what I was talking about. If your crime results in a sentence of one year or more in jail you might get deported. Fighting over parking is counted as a misdemeanor and you would get fined not sentenced to a year+ in prison.
But this fight in Kuwait resulted in bodily harm and possibly would have ended up in the court and a sentence imposed, right?
I’m not on my computer now but according to the article I read if there is an injury this would mean the victim can sue the person that injured him but it still would be a misdeamonor. But thats if it was a regular case of battery like one that would take place in a parking lot of parking space. They have different laws over there for different seriousness of the crime. If a weapon was used, if the crime was aggravated, if there was an assault etc.. then the punishment would be more severe.
If you get in a fight in the US you 99 percent of the time will be tried by local laws not federal laws Every state and city have different laws and some states say when two people are “fighting” it is mutual combat. There is a big difference between just fighting and defending your self.
We should not compare our selves to a democratic country. We should compare ourselves to a country of the same calibre, for example, the sweetheart of everyone in this blog, Dubai:
“Swearing on Whatsapp ‘will result in £40,000 fine and deportation, UAE rules'”
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/swearing-on-whatsapp-will-result-in-40000-fine-and-deportation-uae-rules-10324188.html
damn wtf
Unfortunately Kuwaiti local newspapers concentrate on tabloid journalism rather than factual news reporting.
There is no indication whatsoever of how true or accurate the incidents above are.
Good guy Talal Al-Ghannam
https://news.kuwaittimes.net/what-happened-to-kuwait/
Nice article! I’m really upset when I see Kuwaitis trowing garbage in street. I personally (and many other expats I know) always have small bag for garbage in my car. It’s makes me sad when I see expats care more about clean streets in Kuwait than some locals.
One more thing not mentioned in this article is about children safety. Why you people hate car seats for kids? It makes me mad when some crazy driver speeding 140kmh+ with to small kids in front seat 🙁 It’s not like they don’t have money to get car seat when they drive 20,000KD+ cars, they just don’t care about their own children safety 🙁
I get upset when I see expats throwing garbage on the street. But I do not assume their nationality simply because of clothing. Understand that all nationalities litter. It’s not just expats and it’s not just kuwaitis.
If it’s not just expats and not just Kuwaitis …. Are the illuminati at fault…. Just wondering what other category there is lol.
((Joke))
Litter is a huge problem and actually they need to come down hard on people for that- if people can obey litter laws when they travel, there’s no reason why they can’t obey them at home- unless of course the lawnis not being applied.
*law…
my friend got deported for bring 4 packs of cigarettes into the UK, rather than 2 packs.
Next in the news ” Asian deported for farting”
I actually prefer expats being deported. It opens up more Jobs for Kuwaitis & helps with the traffic too.
Expats should think twice about complaining about Kuwait, if they dnt like it, they can go back to their countries. Simple.
fa 7emdaw rabkum
cheers.
Talented, smart and hard working Kuwaitis don’t have trouble finding jobs, it’s the Kuwaitis who want to sit and do nothing that can’t find jobs. Expats have nothing to do with it.
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Back when Kuwait first discovered that it had so much oil they quickly realised they could run a 100% welfare state for the locals, and pay foreigners to come in and do all the work, including fight its wars for it. The only set of jobs the locals had to do was those pertaining to governance. And look how they chose to do those jobs! 😀
Sure, a sovereign nation can make whatever rules it wants, ie, follow UN charters or not. In the long run, that spirit of will needs to be based on just a leeetle bit more wisdom, me thinks, at least for the sake of its future generations. After all, they’re the ones that may someday find their oil wells suddenly producing only an empty sucking sound. By then the talented, hardworking Kuwaitis will have absolutely no problem, but will there be enough of them? I doubt it.
The sad part is that the world will always have enough economic imbalances because of which the people of some countries can act like sadistic bullies while those of the others have to meekly accept their conditions in order to survive. It needs to be seen which countries future generations of Kuwaitis will fall into.
I find it hilarious that some people on here use the US as a benchmark of comparison for so many things. That country’s a totally different ballgame when you consider its larger context, origins, political systems and demographic beliefs. Kuwait should just stick to comparing itself with others that are more like itself in terms of its origins, political systems and demographic beliefs, which is other Gulf oil-rich countries.
Honestly it’s not hard to see that it’s Kuwaitis who need to be deported for the sake of Kuwait’s future. Maybe then the country will run a bit better.