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No more tattoos?

Remember I posted about tattoos and the small tattoo place in the Marina Mall food court? Well I passed by today and its not there! I saw it two days ago and now its gone. Did they shutdown or did they get shutdown?

61 replies on “No more tattoos?”

I am very glad the closed it 🙂

The action was taken after an article written by Shaikh Nabeel Alawathi in Alwatan newspaper.

We don’t want these things in our lovely Kuwait.

No, that kleenex was for you to whipe all that foam around your mouth with because apparently you’re having a seizure. Muslim country, Sharia primary source of deriving laws according to constitution, don’t like it, move. Simple as that. Go get drunk in public somewhere else.

Lord Raj,

Tattoos are explicitly prohibited according to an authentic hadith in which the prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) states that God curses the tattooed person and the person who applies it to him.

Its a matter of personal choice, haram is bootlegging – drugs and prostitution which pales compared to tatoos. As long as it is harmless to others its your choice, my opinion tatoos falls in the category of body piercing, lipogen, breast implents, nipping and tucking and considered embelishments, if this is Haram which it is, cause it was not available at the time of the Prophet (PBUH), we can not condemn Tatoos.

Hellraiser,

Assalamu alaikum wa rahmat Allah wa barakatuh. Eating pork clearly doesn’t harm anyone else, yet it is also explicitly prohibited because there’s authentic textual evidence against it (in this case, the Qur’an, itself). By that logic, eating meat would be a halal personal choice, which cannot be true because, well, you can look it up in your copy of the Qur’an :P.

Similarly, tattoos are prohibited because there’s also authentic textual evidence against it, this time from sahih hadiths (which are in no way inferior to evidence from the Qur’an because BOTH are necessary for a complete religion. For example, if we were to go by the Qur’an only, we would know that we’re supposed to pray, but we wouldn’t know HOW because the Qur’an doesn’t mention it. You get the idea).

Ok… thanks..

Monotheist – Honestly didnt know that bit. thanks for the info.

personally speaking though.. i believe its a personal choice.

sigh.. well.. to each his own.

Monotheist, I am quite aware of the point you are driving and by no means, i disagree with you. In my opinion again that Plastic surgery to enhance sexual appeal, is more flagrant than tatoos. However due to the unvailabilty of such technics at the time it was not mentioned or condemned and they still fall under the same category of Haram.

i have a friend back home. he’s muslim and im a catholic..
we always eat together for lunch. he always had fish/vegetables and i had pork/beef/vegetables.

he doesnt mind at all and i dont either. we dont speak of our religion when we’re together. but surely he goes with me bar-hopping. but he doesnt drink any booze nor dance with the girls.

i dun know if what i said makes sense but i do hope you got a bit of the idea.

i hope we could have this relation in kuwait where we could express what we want without any hustles, setting aside alcohol and immoral activities of course.

Yes that’s true. There is an infinite list of things and situations that didn’t existed back then, but what was given to us back then in the form of the Qur’an, the Sunnah (prophetic example), and the understanding of the companions (may God be pleased with them), is all we need to derive rulings on things that occur during our time. That’s why we have an entire field in Islamic jurisprudence called “Qias,” literally translated as “measurement”, as in measuring or judging today’s issues by way of comparing to similar past issues.

Please do not take my comments as any form of prejudice, but there are also books, which I do not claim to be the utter truth, as well as great debates on some of the hadiths, and how they contradicted with what the prophet stated.

Ok i read the article in the paper,,, it is a temp tattoo, but what they are on about is the way people passing by can c every thing so if a woman is having one on her ?0xl?x)(….every one can see.. so it has to be more discreet

Anonymous,

There’s nothing prejudiced about what you said. You’re right, there have always been debates about Hadiths and there will probably always be. The thing is, these debates are usually held among certain sects. Ahlul Sunnah wal Jammah (the people of the prophetic example and consensus, or Sunnis for short) do NOT have deabtes about AUTHENTIC (Sahih) hadiths, because these hadiths have been authenticated by scrutinizing studies of the chains of narration (what is known as Isnaad science), which is really not that different from how we made sure that the Qur’an we have today is the same one Muslims had 1400 years ago. That method of acquirng information from past events is actually evens tricter than the standard academic method of gathering and keeping history. Google the following keywords for more info: Hadith science, isnad, sahih bukhari, sahih muslim.

I agree with the move.
Once I was going to the Mosque to pray and saw a guy with a tattoo and I didn’t go to the mosque after that and the following Ramadan I didn’t fast and now I am going to hell because of the tattoo.

Monotheist : Get a life and mind your own business, and God will surely guide those of us who are lost.

I think I need a new tattoo.

And i quote
لكن ان يكون هذا المنكر الشنيع في هذا المجمع فهذا لا يمكن السكوت عليه!
محل تجاري في هذا المجمع يقوم بالوشم المؤقت على اجساد الشباب والشابات!! امام مرأى الجميع! وفي اي مكان بالجسد، تخلع الفتاة ماشاءت من جسدها الا فرجها وجزءا من صدرها ويتفرج كل من شاء في المجمع ليقوم رجل بطبع وشم على جسدها العاري.
ايها الغيورون.. ايها المصلحون.. من رأى المنظر شباب يجلسون في مقهى مقابل هذا المحل يتفرجون على اجساد الفتيات العاريات وبالمجان! انها قمة الابتذال والانحطاط الاخلاقي والفساد
Sorry guys but obviously no one in his sound mind will take off his cloth in broad daylight to get a Tatoo. By the way he did mention temporary, I did see a lot of Kuwaiti girls in wild wadi in Bikinis doing the same.

Gee I dunno what all the fuss is about.. the tattoo place at Marina had only spray paint tattoos.. the kind that wears off after about a coupla washes.

Am glad they shut it down…wain ga3deen tattoos and crap. The West provides us with so many useful things but why do people insist on looking for trash from the West and try to cement mix it into our society.

Tattoo, bad or good, are a personal fucking choice. What business is it of your what other people put on their bodies or not? If it is a sin, it is their sin to make, like not hearing hijab, shaving your beard, talking and going out with the opposite sex, not going to the mosque on a friday, not closing your store for prayer time, having breakfast in ramadan in your home, having sex out of wedlock, going to private parties, etc.

Just because something is haram does NOT mean the end of the debate, and most certainly does not mean instant prohibition. There are many, many harams that we allow in our Kuwait, and for the most part it is because THEY AFFECT THE PERSON ONLY. We’d all be better off with petty things like tattooing legalized because at the very least you reduce the risk of people injecting themselves with lead and catching diseases at “underground” tattoo parlor.

who gives a fuck if tattoos are haram? they don’t hurt anybody and can be absolutely beautiful.

also tattoos are NOT illegal in Kuwait only tattoo parlours so the ppl against them can GTFO of kuwait and go crying back to KSA.

Hellraiser:
i saw a guy with a girl near a Harley the other day, that is also haram, now bikes should be banned from Kuwait too.
I saw a girl drinking coke in a mini skirt. Lets ban Coke from Kuwait too.

I wonder what Kuwait and the rest would be region would say if KSA wasnt as outspoken and prominent as they are.

Would Kuwait start behaving like the UAE(using its own head instead of big brothers?)

it is a permanent tattoo, something like Hena,and I believe that Hena Halal! they have all the colors and it cost only 2 KD.. so why they shut it down?!

Agree with Mark d. Kuwait is still under enormous influence from Saudi and the US (who of course doesnt give 2 cents’ worth about human rights as long as we provide them with a strategic military location for their troops).

On the religion issue, Muslims around the world (and i am one of them) should resist the temptation to give lessons to everyone else. We are not holier than everyone else. Let us mind our freakin’ business and concentrate on being good to other people and leaving a positive trace on this planet.

I’d love to see how the writer of the article changes the lives of other people for the better by giving away some of his money, cars, or just time to volunteer, instead of bitching and then indulging in pleasure that excess money brings

this debate is retarded

the place was closed because Geez were staring out into the store watching girls get that tattoo. The only unholy part about it was the indecency of exposing skin in public.

Mek,

“Tattoo, bad or good, are a personal fucking choice. What business is it of your what other people put on their bodies or not? If it is a sin, it is their sin to make, like not hearing hijab, shaving your beard, talking and going out with the opposite sex, not going to the mosque on a friday, not closing your store for prayer time, having breakfast in ramadan in your home, having sex out of wedlock, going to private parties, etc.

Just because something is haram does NOT mean the end of the debate, and most certainly does not mean instant prohibition. There are many, many harams that we allow in our Kuwait, and for the most part it is because THEY AFFECT THE PERSON ONLY. We’d all be better off with petty things like tattooing legalized because at the very least you reduce the risk of people injecting themselves with lead and catching diseases at “underground” tattoo parlor.”

By that logic, we should also legalize alcohol. I’m sure you see why this argument fails. The problem is, sharia IS a primary source from which law is derrived according to the constitution, so don’t make it seem as if it were a foreign concept. True, not ALL of sharia is implemented in Kuwait, and what is implemented does seem to be decided arbitrarily by the government and the parliament, but this is exactly the case here.

Holla,

“who gives a fuck if tattoos are haram? they don’t hurt anybody and can be absolutely beautiful.”

Some people think that thong bikkinis are “absolutely” beautiful, but that’s called indecent exporsue and is punishable BY LAW.

The problem is that you people are making the false assumption that something needs to hurt someone else for it to be banned, which is absolutely false. Drugs and alcohol don’t directly harm people other than the person taking them, but they are in fact illegal. Who defines what’s legal and what’s not? Obviously the government and the parliament based on the constitution, and the constitution happens to take Islamic law into consideration. It’s really not that difficult to grasp.

“also tattoos are NOT illegal in Kuwait only tattoo parlours so the ppl against them can GTFO of kuwait and go crying back to KSA.”

Likewise, the people for them can also GTFO and go crying to some kafir country where they don’t have to worry about this type of thing.

fadibou,

“Hellraiser:
i saw a guy with a girl near a Harley the other day, that is also haram, now bikes should be banned from Kuwait too.
I saw a girl drinking coke in a mini skirt. Lets ban Coke from Kuwait too.”

OK, I don’t see anyone making this argument. What you’re doing here is called a straw man fallacy. No one ever made the illogical association between riding bikes and necessarily having women hopping on or that drinking coke necessitates wearing revealing clothing. You made all of that up.

AERO,

Assalamu alaikum wa rahmat Allah wa barakatuh,

“Agree with Mark d. Kuwait is still under enormous influence from Saudi and the US (who of course doesnt give 2 cents’ worth about human rights as long as we provide them with a strategic military location for their troops).”

I call it being under the influence of Islam.

“On the religion issue, Muslims around the world (and i am one of them) should resist the temptation to give lessons to everyone else. We are not holier than everyone else. Let us mind our freakin’ business and concentrate on being good to other people and leaving a positive trace on this planet.”

The problem is that what you want us to do is at odds with what the prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) actually commanded. He, peace and blessings be upon him, said: “”Whoever amongst you sees an evil, he must change it with his hand; if he is unable to do so, then with his tongue; and if he is unable to do so, then with his heart; and that is the weakest form of Faith.”

Check this out for more: https://www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/hadeeth/riyad/00/chap023.htm

“I’d love to see how the writer of the article changes the lives of other people for the better by giving away some of his money, cars, or just time to volunteer, instead of bitching and then indulging in pleasure that excess money brings
”

Bro, you have no idea what you’re talking about. Sheikh Nabeel changes lives and has immensly effected countless people. Have you ever seen any of his lectures? He also happens to be one of the most outspoken people on the bedoon situation in Kuwait, so there’s really not much to criticize him about in that department.

Monotheist you gottta chill dude, we are all mature opnionated individuals, voicing their views. The point we are driving is simple why should a government decide whats good or bad for you, alcohol is everywhere in the UAE, its your personal choice to drink or resist, the state is not a kindergarden, and if the beliefs of the people is weak, then there is no law that will show them the right way. I for one dont believe in leaders or religious figures of this century, this is not the 60’s anymore, think & decide for yourself!

Monotheist,

“By that logic, we should also legalize alcohol. I’m sure you see why this argument fails.”

Strawman. I have not argued for legalizing alcohol, and it does not relate to legalizing tattoo parlors at all. First off, legalizing alcohol would affect the society on a large scale, and it has a scientifically proven harm to the individual and society: kidney failure, violence, DUI, it’s a long list. The legality of certain drugs does not stop at the individual level, and an argument can be made that they affect society as a whole. In fact, there is excellent historical evidence that they do (see: China being flooded with opium by the English.)

If people decide they want to inject metallics into their skin, it is their option. It is not revealing like nudity, which may offend people, and it is certainly not harmful to whole of society as some drugs can be. It is is, indeed, their personal choice. Their is no evidence, be it scientific or historical, that it affects the society on the whole.

“The problem is, sharia IS a primary source from which law is derrived according to the constitution, so don’t make it seem as if it were a foreign concept. True, not ALL of sharia is implemented in Kuwait, and what is implemented does seem to be decided arbitrarily by the government and the parliament, but this is exactly the case here.”

It is A primary source, not THE primary source. I agree with you completely that it is arbitrary, and I guess in this case we’ll agree to disagree in which direction they should move: towards more Sharia integration, or less.

I say move away from Sharia where individual rights are concerned, because it is the individual who is ultimately responsible for his fate, be it heaven or hell. No government can force its citizens into being righteous, and if we go down that path we’ll have to instate something similar to Saudi Arabia’s system, which I think is not compatible with life in Kuwait.

“Likewise, the people for them can also GTFO and go crying to some kafir country where they don’t have to worry about this type of thing.”

Not meant for me, but I have to reply. I’ve seen this “GTFO if u dont like it!” thing brought it in every forum of ever possible nationality, and it is horrible in every possible way. Might apply to expats, but certainly not to the citizens of the country who love it dearly, and would love to correct any mistakes it might be committing, weather that citizen in question is conservative, liberal, etc. That’s what freedom of speech and political action is for.

Mek,

“Strawman. I have not argued for legalizing alcohol, and it does not relate to legalizing tattoo parlors at all.”

It’s not a strawman because I wasn’t reducing your argument to an illogical version of it nor was I morphing it into something else. I never said that you were arguing for the legalization of alcohol. What I’m saying is that your calling for tattoos to be deemed lawful just because it’s a personal choice that doesn’t effect other people is exactly analogous to the argument that alcohol should be legalized for the same reasons.

“First off, legalizing alcohol would affect the society on a large scale, and it has a scientifically proven harm to the individual and society: kidney failure, violence, DUI, it’s a long list. The legality of certain drugs does not stop at the individual level, and an argument can be made that they affect society as a whole. In fact, there is excellent historical evidence that they do (see: China being flooded with opium by the English.)”

Which is all the more reason to ban these substances, but it isn’t necessarily the primary reason for doing so. You see, an argument can also be made that a few drinks here and there aren’t really detrimental to your health at all, so it should be fine. In actuality, the fact that alcohol is Haram according to Islam DOES indeed play a significant role for it being prohibited by law, all health risks aside.

“If people decide they want to inject metallics into their skin, it is their option. It is not revealing like nudity, which may offend people, and it is certainly not harmful to whole of society as some drugs can be. It is is, indeed, their personal choice. Their is no evidence, be it scientific or historical, that it affects the society on the whole.”

And I’m telling you that it doesn’t have to be harmful for it to be illegal. The fact that it’s Haram is more than enough. Strip clubs don’t hurt anyone, they are nevertheless STILL illegal for no reason other than being Islamically impermissible.

“It is A primary source, not THE primary source. I agree with you completely that it is arbitrary, and I guess in this case we’ll agree to disagree in which direction they should move: towards more Sharia integration, or less.”

Yes, it definitely is arbitrary. But AFTER the decision has been made to ban something JUST because it happens to be Islamically impermissible, you can’t complain that it’s wrong or unconstitutional because the constitution itself sanctions it.

So in summary, the status of being haram according to Islam is a sufficient reason for prohibtting anything by law in the state of Kuwait because the constitution allows it by virtue of including sharia law as a primary source of legislation, even if arbitrarily implemented.

“I say move away from Sharia where individual rights are concerned, because it is the individual who is ultimately responsible for his fate, be it heaven or hell. No government can force its citizens into being righteous, and if we go down that path we’ll have to instate something similar to Saudi Arabia’s system, which I think is not compatible with life in Kuwait.”

I, being a Muslim who believes in the Qur’an and the Sunnah 100%, obviously cannot agree with this. I’m not willing to substitute man-made laws for divinely revealed laws, as I’m sure anyone who sincerely believes in Islam wouldn’t (it would be self-contradictory otherwise).

“Not meant for me, but I have to reply. I’ve seen this “GTFO if u dont like it!” thing brought it in every forum of ever possible nationality, and it is horrible in every possible way. Might apply to expats, but certainly not to the citizens of the country who love it dearly, and would love to correct any mistakes it might be committing, weather that citizen in question is conservative, liberal, etc. That’s what freedom of speech and political action is for.”

Tell it to the guy I was replying to.

You worry about tatooes, when half the moslems of the arab world are fighting, killing, torturing, raping,and pillaging. You wanna talk about Halal and haram in this context,. I guess not, cause Arabs have no sense of unity or a common cause that ties together, except for a religion and a language, which is the main source of their conflicts. So you wanna waste more time on a simple issue like tattoos you can go on till eternity if you believe this will make you shine as a moslem, but there are more serious issues in this world where your input is needed such as, Human Right Violation, Slavery, Rape, Women Abuse, Drug Abuse, Stealing, Lying and Chetaing all taking place as we speak within this country, and you wanna keep arguing on this issue. Dont be a loud mouth, get out there and do something about it.

Hellraiser,

“You worry about tatooes, when half the moslems of the arab world are fighting, killing, torturing, raping,and pillaging. You wanna talk about Halal and haram in this context,. I guess not, cause Arabs have no sense of unity or a common cause that ties together, except for a religion and a language, which is the main source of their conflicts. So you wanna waste more time on a simple issue like tattoos you can go on till eternity if you believe this will make you shine as a moslem, but there are more serious issues in this world where your input is needed such as, Human Right Violation, Slavery, Rape, Women Abuse, Drug Abuse, Stealing, Lying and Chetaing all taking place as we speak within this country, and you wanna keep arguing on this issue.”

And why do you think we can’t deal with those isses you pointed out AND this one (tattoos) simultaneously? What is the contradiction between addressing all of those major issues and minor issues at the same time? I’d love to hear this. Is dropping a few comments on the internet regarding something I have an opinion about supposed to take months, for example? I don’t know about you but I can multitask just fine.

“Dont be a loud mouth, get out there and do something about it.”

How does voicing my honest opinion make me a loud mouth? Or do you just say that because I disagree with you?

lol, do something about it like what? The problem has already been dealt with (store no longer exists in case you haven’t noticed), all because of “loud mouths” like Sheikh Nabeel.

Mono the post was not targetted at you, it was on the whole issue addressed by this blog, which I find trivial and ads little value to resolve the main issues at hand, I see the action taken is more of a personal triumph rather than benefiting the community, which could lead to other actions, such closing of sattelite channels, private beaches and other leisure activities that could be deemed immoral in someones eye. I have no further comments.

Great, let’s us just respectfully agree to disagree. And please, let us respect our personal freedoms & choices and avoid giving lessons.

“Fear is the mother of morality” – F.Nietzsche

Monotheist,

“It’s not a strawman because I wasn’t reducing your argument to an illogical version of it nor was I morphing it into something else. I never said that you were arguing for the legalization of alcohol. What I’m saying is that your calling for tattoos to be deemed lawful just because it’s a personal choice that doesn’t effect other people is exactly analogous to the argument that alcohol should be legalized for the same reasons.”

Nope, it was a strawman because you strung it up and attacked it instead of attacking my original position, that tattooing should be legalized. It is very different, as I demonstrated.

“Which is all the more reason to ban these substances, but it isn’t necessarily the primary reason for doing so. You see, an argument can also be made that a few drinks here and there aren’t really detrimental to your health at all, so it should be fine. In actuality, the fact that alcohol is Haram according to Islam DOES indeed play a significant role for it being prohibited by law, all health risks aside.”

Agreed, but I only brought it up to highlight the staggering differences between the legalization of certain substances and something as personal as modifying your own body. Yes, perhaps alcohol can be taken in moderation and without negative consequences to the public, I just want to highlight that the possibility for negative consequences EXISTS, while for tattooing, there are NONE. It is as personal a choice as liposuction, breast implants, collagen injections and nose modification; a bit horrible IMO but still a person’s choice and freely allowable in Kuwait DESPITE them being explicitly haram.

My point: it is COMPLETELY personal, which I’m guessing you’re saying is no grounds for legalization, right? Alright, lets move on to the haram in Sharia argument

“Yes, it definitely is arbitrary. But AFTER the decision has been made to ban something JUST because it happens to be Islamically impermissible, you can’t complain that it’s wrong or unconstitutional because the constitution itself sanctions it.”

I have not complained that it was unconstitutional, but I can see many a reason why it’s wrong.

“So in summary, the status of being haram according to Islam is a sufficient reason for prohibtting anything by law in the state of Kuwait because the constitution allows it by virtue of including sharia law as a primary source of legislation, even if arbitrarily implemented.”

Agreed. It is sufficient, but DOES NOT oblige us by default to apply such a law, otherwise why are there many Sharia laws not being implemented?

“I, being a Muslim who believes in the Qur’an and the Sunnah 100%, obviously cannot agree with this. I’m not willing to substitute man-made laws for divinely revealed laws, as I’m sure anyone who sincerely believes in Islam wouldn’t (it would be self-contradictory otherwise).”

I, being a Kuwaiti, respectfully disagree. Divine laws revealed by an omniscient being, but rather unfortunately revealed to us mere humans. All those laws were and are subject to the varied interpretation of many different people, for which there is ample evidence of change throughout the years as societal standards changed.

So you are actually not always obeying the divine instructions %100 to the letter, a lot of the time you are following the spirit of the instructions. It is in that way that many Muslims believe in the Quran and Sunnah %100 and just as sincerely as you do, just that they have a different take on it.

Kuwaiti society is composed of many Muslims with their own take on Islam. I know that my Shia friends disagree with my Sunni friends a LOT on some key aspects of Quran and Sunnah. Sincere Muslims all and firm believers in Quran and Sunnah, btw, and all who might vote for a different take on Sharia law, or it’s pervasiveness in our laws and regulations.