Oof, that’s fantastically heartbreaking :/
Great work @wadaniart
I take offense that bait lothan was singled out in the second panel ’cause they mostly dotted the most basic “this is art, right” much like CAP and other bullshit venues that barely add any value to the culture and are in part the reason why no one takes art seriously in this country.
The next time I see another Shurooq Amin gallery where she photoshops ‘burqa’ and johnny walker into a piece and calls it art, i am joining ikhwan.
Joining that bullshit with country defining architectural buildings like abraj (not sure what the relation is btw), is beyond insulting. its a spit in the face.
The relation is that all these buildings are a part of Kuwait and part of the cultural landscape, therefore part of the public conscious because these buildings are what people remember when they think of Kuwait. If you disagree, fine, but try to understand the message that the artist is trying to convey.
I am kuwaiti and i do not identify with “artists” putting burqas and liquor labels on canvases to convey them as art. It is disgusting. Go back to college. and don’t compare your venues to those that actually defined the whole country, seriously just stop.
bayt lothan as a structure has nothing to do with the art presented inside or how it was used as a venue. If you don’t agree with the art they exhibited, that’s fine. but you can’t deny that it is a historical and cultural building that shouldn’t have been demolished.
maybe if they represented artists that were actually good and not just pseudo intellectual hacks, we wouldnt be having this conversation.
Your issue with Bayt Lothan seems to be a personal one but the actual structure used to be the home of the former Amir Shaikh Sabah Al Salim. Bayt Lothan is an NGO not a building.
My argument was that the building itself lost its value because of which artists they featured. Shurooq was just an example. I remember going there once seeing an artist that had logs of wood with varnish that could have been made by a demented person, I just dont remember his name.
The comic that you posted itself implies that we dont value art, specifically because of the inclusion of bait lothan. Thats what I took offense to.
Dont blame people for not caring that it was demolished, The building itself was unkempt and was deteriorating. It was a 7osh with small rooms surrounding it. When the management of the place have been trying really hard to deter people from ever caring about it to begin with.
Which part of the comic implies we don’t value art? The ice skating rink in the trash? The kuwait airways building?
the part where i said “specifically because of the inclusion of bait lothan” jesus christ dude, at least try to read what i wrote.
Bayt Lothan was a wonderful venue for the Palestinian Cultural Center, a biannual exhibition that not only showcased Palestinian widows’ wonderfully intricate embroidery but also donated all the proceeds they got back to these women and Palestinian refugees living in Jordan and other parts of the Middle East.
Although I humbly disagree with your views on Shurooq Amin, she does not represent Bayt Lothan and vice versa.
apples to oranges. your issues are clearly with Shurooq’s art and not with Bayt Lothan. Bayt Lothan taught many aspiring musicians to play instruments, held great exhibitions and gave artists a place to express themselves. whether you agree with the message of the art or not has zero correlation with the historical structure. i think renaissance art is boring as all hell but i would be very upset if they tore down the MET.
@nan, your comments reek of entitlement and privilege. I don’t know what Bayt Lothan ever did to you, but you should seriously rethink your opinions. Also, this could’ve been a perfect opportunity to share your thoughts on what makes Kuwaiti landmarks and art significant, but instead you decided to insult everyone without remorse.
I understand you got something against shurooq amin but this is the wrong place for that argument lol
The burqas in shurooq’s art with the alcohol bottle is to show how people in this society are quick to judge others but behind their “veils” they do immoral things, like go to Thailand and get with hookers, or drink alcohol. Then they’ll say “omg look, one hair is showing from her hijab she’s not a proper mit7ajba.” Her art portrays so many problems in Kuwait’s society. It’s one thing that you’re too tunnel-visioned to see the beauty and meaning in her art, especially to Kuwaiti women, instead you take it at face value. You dont have to like it, even so, you don’t have to debase it and call it meaningless “burqas and johnny walker bottles” just because YOU don’t feel it. Art is to be felt. Obviously some people feel her art deeply. Who the heck are you to judge.
Art is subjective. Felt, seen, heard – we tend to perceive things at different levels.
Shurooq’s art is far from to be seen beautiful or pleasing to the eye in my imho. However, it has a message too clear to avoid by all means.
Many Kuwaitis find it difficult to accept such imageries, let alone hear about it. I think this is why OC nan has abrasive views in the regard of Shurooq’s art. I see where she’s coming from and I can understand her frustration.
Edit: Many Kuwaitis find it difficult to accept such truths via word of mouth, let alone see imageries visualizing them.
Mark, we need an “edit your comment” function
Does anyone know an expert in Kuwait that knows how to preserve mangrove roof poles? I have that is rotting and need to stop it and extend the life of all the others.
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Oof, that’s fantastically heartbreaking :/
Great work @wadaniart
I take offense that bait lothan was singled out in the second panel ’cause they mostly dotted the most basic “this is art, right” much like CAP and other bullshit venues that barely add any value to the culture and are in part the reason why no one takes art seriously in this country.
The next time I see another Shurooq Amin gallery where she photoshops ‘burqa’ and johnny walker into a piece and calls it art, i am joining ikhwan.
Joining that bullshit with country defining architectural buildings like abraj (not sure what the relation is btw), is beyond insulting. its a spit in the face.
The relation is that all these buildings are a part of Kuwait and part of the cultural landscape, therefore part of the public conscious because these buildings are what people remember when they think of Kuwait. If you disagree, fine, but try to understand the message that the artist is trying to convey.
I am kuwaiti and i do not identify with “artists” putting burqas and liquor labels on canvases to convey them as art. It is disgusting. Go back to college. and don’t compare your venues to those that actually defined the whole country, seriously just stop.
bayt lothan as a structure has nothing to do with the art presented inside or how it was used as a venue. If you don’t agree with the art they exhibited, that’s fine. but you can’t deny that it is a historical and cultural building that shouldn’t have been demolished.
maybe if they represented artists that were actually good and not just pseudo intellectual hacks, we wouldnt be having this conversation.
Your issue with Bayt Lothan seems to be a personal one but the actual structure used to be the home of the former Amir Shaikh Sabah Al Salim. Bayt Lothan is an NGO not a building.
My argument was that the building itself lost its value because of which artists they featured. Shurooq was just an example. I remember going there once seeing an artist that had logs of wood with varnish that could have been made by a demented person, I just dont remember his name.
The comic that you posted itself implies that we dont value art, specifically because of the inclusion of bait lothan. Thats what I took offense to.
Dont blame people for not caring that it was demolished, The building itself was unkempt and was deteriorating. It was a 7osh with small rooms surrounding it. When the management of the place have been trying really hard to deter people from ever caring about it to begin with.
Which part of the comic implies we don’t value art? The ice skating rink in the trash? The kuwait airways building?
the part where i said “specifically because of the inclusion of bait lothan” jesus christ dude, at least try to read what i wrote.
Bayt Lothan was a wonderful venue for the Palestinian Cultural Center, a biannual exhibition that not only showcased Palestinian widows’ wonderfully intricate embroidery but also donated all the proceeds they got back to these women and Palestinian refugees living in Jordan and other parts of the Middle East.
Although I humbly disagree with your views on Shurooq Amin, she does not represent Bayt Lothan and vice versa.
apples to oranges. your issues are clearly with Shurooq’s art and not with Bayt Lothan. Bayt Lothan taught many aspiring musicians to play instruments, held great exhibitions and gave artists a place to express themselves. whether you agree with the message of the art or not has zero correlation with the historical structure. i think renaissance art is boring as all hell but i would be very upset if they tore down the MET.
@nan, your comments reek of entitlement and privilege. I don’t know what Bayt Lothan ever did to you, but you should seriously rethink your opinions. Also, this could’ve been a perfect opportunity to share your thoughts on what makes Kuwaiti landmarks and art significant, but instead you decided to insult everyone without remorse.
I understand you got something against shurooq amin but this is the wrong place for that argument lol
The burqas in shurooq’s art with the alcohol bottle is to show how people in this society are quick to judge others but behind their “veils” they do immoral things, like go to Thailand and get with hookers, or drink alcohol. Then they’ll say “omg look, one hair is showing from her hijab she’s not a proper mit7ajba.” Her art portrays so many problems in Kuwait’s society. It’s one thing that you’re too tunnel-visioned to see the beauty and meaning in her art, especially to Kuwaiti women, instead you take it at face value. You dont have to like it, even so, you don’t have to debase it and call it meaningless “burqas and johnny walker bottles” just because YOU don’t feel it. Art is to be felt. Obviously some people feel her art deeply. Who the heck are you to judge.
Art is subjective. Felt, seen, heard – we tend to perceive things at different levels.
Shurooq’s art is far from to be seen beautiful or pleasing to the eye in my imho. However, it has a message too clear to avoid by all means.
Many Kuwaitis find it difficult to accept such imageries, let alone hear about it. I think this is why OC nan has abrasive views in the regard of Shurooq’s art. I see where she’s coming from and I can understand her frustration.
Edit: Many Kuwaitis find it difficult to accept such truths via word of mouth, let alone see imageries visualizing them.
Mark, we need an “edit your comment” function
Does anyone know an expert in Kuwait that knows how to preserve mangrove roof poles? I have that is rotting and need to stop it and extend the life of all the others.