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Dubai ain’t so perfect

As much as we like to highlight how some things in Dubai are better than Kuwait, they still have their own share of problems.

Norwegian woman: I was raped in Dubai, now I face prison sentence

Dubai police arrest ‘shock video’ uploader (Guy who uploaded video above)

Kinda reminds me how at one point Dubai had Flickr blocked but kept the prostitute hangout Cyclone open. It’s like they’re not sure if they’re an open liberal country or a closed one and they just flip flop between the two.

Update: The Norwegian woman has been freed. [Link]

121 replies on “Dubai ain’t so perfect”

Well, I’m glad we’re not discussing the ‘hit and run’ incident in Dubai where the Emirati officer hit the Indian driver, who tried to flee the accident and another Indian filmed it with his phone and placed it on YouTube? Both these stories have hit the news, including the international press, and both stories are highlighting the laws in Dubai. The moral of the story, is that you can’t have a modern society run with Sharia Law, you can have a conservative Muslim society with a sectarian legal system, but not Sharia Law – it is out-of-date with the modern society. Mark, if you were in Dubai, your website would be shut down, for sure, so I guess you can grin and stay in your beloved birth country, but Dubai for a middle-east nation has made immense strides as far as the development process, but the legal system needs to catch up. In addition, you also see blatant hypocrisy’s in the RERA laws – people have lost their retirements to thieves that have gone unpunished by the laws. Sad! But every plane will be full from neighboring GCC nations with people trying to flee the boredom and lack of freedom in their countries.

“Under UAE law, the Emirati who assaulted the Indian van driver faces up to a year in jail or a maximum of fine of up to AED10,000 for minor assault, while the Indian motorist who filmed and uploaded the video faces a maximum of two years in jail or a fine of up to AED20,000 if convicted of filming without permission or defamation.”

Imagine that.

Kinda reminds me of the SOPA bill, which proposed to imprison those found guilty of illegally downloading music, for 5 years. One year more than the doctor who was found guilty for the death of Michael Jackson.

I really don’t see what your rant about shariah law has to with this. If sharia law was properly administered, a rapist could be punished by death. And I don’t remember hearing about shariah law being biased towards a driver in a hit and run. The problem here isn’t shariah, its about enforcement of laws in general in the GCC being pathetic pathetic.

If 3 or 4 Muslim men witness the rape, then the woman is raped. So according to this story, she was not raped according to Sharia law.

You must work for fox news to cite something so stereotypical without research. In actuality, sharia law allows for the use of extrinsic evidence to prove the rape, e.g. forcible entry. If you think that’s backwards then you must think the same of western laws, too. Or maybe you just don’t think…

Ah, and there’s the problem. “Forcible entry” implies some serious violence. Rapists prefer to use coercion and threats, and there are always the ones that drug people or go for sleeping victims. “Rape kits” don’t necessarily prove rape.

If you’re wondering what this has to do with the law, since the punishment is death the standard would need to be MUCH higher, and rape is already underreported and hard to prove. I think that would actually hurt victims, not help.

Completely agree with 0.o, the problem is with the implementation in GCC countries (and Pakistan, Iran, etc.) If you look at their version of sharia law, or CNN’s version, then yes it seems outdated and all that, but if you look at how it was applied during the Caliphate of Umar, Uthman (RA), etc. you see how perfect is was. The harsh punishments of sharia are only meant to deter people from doing those things, not *actually* punish people, which is why they require things such as 4 witnesses, which in many cases is impossible. There is also a Hadith, where a man came to the prophet (SAW) confessing that he had fornicated, and the prophet (SAW) told him to go away; not applying the punishment.

The reason sharia law is very difficult to properly implement today is because of the attitudes of people. In Kuwait & Saudi for example, unless the locals begin to see the expats (atleast the Muslim expats) as equal to them, they can never truly implement sharia law. Also, to truly follow sharia, one has to follow the code of ethics that goes with it, i.e. treat others with respect, etc. And since that doesn’t happen in GCC countries, sharia law is never actually fully implemented.

Oh and also, in sharia law, the govt is required to provide welfare, protection, shelter, etc to everyone within their lands (Muslims by default, and non muslims if they wish, in exchange for a small fee). But this is unseen in the GCC. All you have is locals vs expats when it comes to welfare, etc. Thus this is nowhere close to real sharia law.

Well, firstly you, nor I, (the public) have seen the contents of his computer that was confiscated from his home, which I suspect is the reason why the Dubai police are denying him bail. There is a STRONG possibility that the Indian guy, who uploaded this incident on YouTube, uploaded it with malicious intent. Malicious intent is a crime, as is filming someone without their consent and humiliating them in a public forum. I realize you film stuff all the time in Kuwait, but if you did film someone like this, especially a local resident or were framing someone using social media (which is done commoningly in Kuwait) you will surely land in jail. I think the authorities have handled this very well and have been fair. Let’s be real….have you been to Dubai lately? It is 100% humidity with temperatures as high as Kuwait, I have never felt it that hot, compounded with Ramadan fasting? The Indian guy hit his car, tried to run from the accident and he lost it, if it were a Kuwaiti they would have beat him to a pulp, you know that, but the Emirati just hit him with his aghal after it appears he mouthed off something stupid to him. I realize that this is a sensative issue for you as a blogger, but then again, it validates the reason why you don’t live in Dubai.

“Malicious intent is a crime, as is filming someone without their consent and humiliating them in a public forum.”

And assaulting a person is a lesser crime? Come on… he recorded an assault on video and helped get the culprit arrested. He should be praised not arrested. And obviously it’s without consent, do you expect him to get out of the car and interrupt the assault so he could ask the guy if he could record him beating up the driver?

Apparently in Dubai it is… and as in Rome…..I am not supportive at all with the Indian guy who filmed this and put it on YouTube. He saw that the license plate had three letters in it, so he knew that the person was a Dubai official, he should have rendered the video to the police authorities and let the police, who by the way have high marks with the Dubai public, and let them do their job. And I know what you are going to say, “But it would never have been exposed?”. Well, the Indian guy followed the correct procedures according to UAE law if he would have rendered the video to police. All expats are guests in the UAE and must follow UAE law whether they like it or not. Truthfully, I think this Indian guy had a big laugh with his friends and put it on YouTube to ‘get that Emirati!’ and guess what? You are denied bail! You are a blogger and see this differently than I.

Wow this is laughable and all conjecture.

You put something on Youtube to get the exposure it deserves. This sort of thing happens all over the world, cops in the US get filmed all the time for the way they act and they usually get punished accordingly. The issue here is that Dubai would like to believe itself to be “Western” and more liberal than its neighbors, but it’s obviously not.

Officials of countries need to be held in the utmost regard because they’re basically the countries representative and in no way should they act the way this guy did, no matter what. There’s no excuse for hitting a guy the way he did, in that situation.

Your attitude towards this sort of thing is troubling, but not surprising.

Patrick, there are two separate issues here, one is that the Emirati hit the Indian out of anger because he hit his car and tried to flee the accident, the second issue here is that another Indian man sat in the car and filmed this incident and put it on YouTube. All three parties were subject to the law, and the Indian who put this on YouTube got the higher offense because under UAE law he committed Malicious Intent which is a higher crime than hitting a guy. I am not justifying the hitting of the guy, but I was trying to paint a logical scenerio of what constituted to the Emariti’s anger. I got in an accident with an Indian guy in Dubai who yelled at me in my face at the top of his lungs that the accident was my fault, found out he had a bad driving record and then he had the audacity to say to me “We roamed the lands before the Emiratis, this land is ours now!” And by the way, the accident was his fault. Did I hit him, I felt like it, but no, I didn’t, I just let the police men hand him the ticket and I smiled. Listen Kuwait, learn to look at the core of issues, the core of the issue here is population imbalance. When you have a population (Indian) that has outnumbered other populations (Emiraties/Other Expats) they begin to feel empowered. That Indian felt empowered to put this on YouTube and disgrace an Emirati official, because he’s Indian. I would advise the UAE to start population visa quotas immediately.

What’s the malicious intent? The fact that he recorded someone to expose a crime? How is that a crime in itself?

What’s most likely happening is that the official that was caught committing a crime pulled some strings to get the guy arrested and refused bail.

When someone yells at you because of a car accident, the best way to go about it is to be the calm one especially if you know you weren’t in the wrong. If a guy tries to run away, you don’t beat him, there are various ways to go about it, like taking down the guys license plate if he really does want to hit and run. Like you said, the Dubai police force that the public (apparently) takes in high regard will take care of it.

I sense a feeling of racism emitting from your comments but I’m not going to state that it is. The Indian guy who filmed this did nothing illegal in most peoples eyes because he was exposing a crime not because he wants to have a laugh. That’s twisted that someone would think that.

If it was an issue of empowerment by a population imbalance, why don’t we have these issues in Kuwait? Why don’t the non-White population in the US act with “empowerment”? Or anywhere else that populations aren’t completely balanced out?

If the Indian guy didn’t film this, that official would have probably gotten away with it, why? Because of racism, which is an issue you’re ignoring even though you’re trying to “paint a logical scenario”.

The Emirities are wonderful people, this is an unusual situation, so that is why out of my respect for them, I am giving him the benefit of the doubt and painting the ‘logical scenerio’. This official has a very important job in Dubai, he runs the Customs Department, a well-run one at that, I mean maybe you have never hit anyone, and maybe he’s never hit anyone, so maybe he just ‘lost it in a fit of rage’? Are we all perfect? But as I stated before each individual in this case has been treated individually with a separate sentence. The UAE, although there are pockets of hypocrisy, is a conservative society. They are on the most part, very patient and understanding people, they have to deal with many nationalities that have come to live in Dubai. As far as the empowerment in Kuwait, is that expats are not allowed to own property and build wealth like in Dubai, some expats have become very, very wealthy in Dubai, which is unheard of in Kuwait. Sociologically, when a group of people become wealthy from the society, espcially if they own property etc, they want a sense of entitlement. The Emirities have been very gratious to expats by allowing them privledges that are unheard of in other GCC nations, such as pork rooms and liquor stores etc., in a way, was a trade-off in order for them to get the right expats in to assist them in developing their nation. I think you are sensing racism from my comments, one, because I am not siding with the Indian putting this on YouTube, and two, because you live in Kuwait and Kuwait impresses me as a very racist society where expats don’t really stand a chance legally. Not sure how much more will come out on this case to the public, but the motives of the Indian guy who filmed this may just be twisted, and if that is the case, then he will be fined, deported and will never work in the UAE. If it would have been me, I would have rendered the video to the police, not ever put a video like that on YouTube if I had an ounce of respect for the Emirati people.

I’m sure the Emirati’s are nice people, I never said otherwise, that still doesn’t change the fact that someone who is supposed to be representing these nice people acted in a negative manner. We’re all humans but at the end of the day there are those of us who have positions that don’t allow us to beat a random stranger and this one man is in that position, so maybe he shouldn’t have become a government official.

I’m sensing some racism not because you’re not siding with the Indian, but because you say you’re trying to paint a logical picture, but what you’re really doing is just siding with the government official who beat on a man and trying to find a reason for an inexcusable action.

I still don’t find your argument of empowered immigrants very convincing. Like I said, having a high of immigrants isn’t specific to just Dubai and yet this issue of “empowerment” has never really been brought up. I also don’t buy this argument that this Indian guy who filmed this is “twisted”, he filmed a crime, any person with a strong sense of conviction would have done the same and people tend to usually do so in other free countries.

Obviously we’re not going to see eye to eye on this issue, but all this needed to be said.

So you are giving the Emirati the benefit of the doubt and excuses for a public assault crime, but at the same time accusing the Indian guy of filming the crime then publishing it online for laughs and some “empowerment” thing?

Strange

Your rant seems more of an Anti India one than deploring the actions of both parties (if at all the Indian was / is at fault)

Maryiam you are projecting your one incident with some obviously a hole Indian (its mathematical logic that a certain percentage of the billion Indians will be a holes)onto a seperate issue and justifying nationality quotas cuz of it? I read Hitler hated Jews cuz he was refused admission into art school…can you draw a parallel here?

I don’t know how Mariyam got this racist, learn to love everyone don’t discriminate anyone.

We all share this world together it just shows how bad you were bought up every time you comment here.

Clearly the Indian man was just passing by and decided to record it.

If you’re kids were getting kidnapped or something and someone were to record it and put it up on YouTube and the police could find the culprits how happy would you be right? Think?

Justice has been done, but not for the poor man who recorded the video.

Mariyam, I’m fasting and you are pissing me off. Where can I find you so I can assault you for a bit.

You are so twisted and evil, its beyond belief. Using fasting as an excuse to beat up people. OMG!

Because if this would have happened in Kuwait it would have been a totally different scenerio and it would have been much more than ‘just’ an aghal.

U must be outa ur mind. Put ur self in drivers place n the emirati as another women. It would be so cool to see u get beaten up in 50*c dat also during Ramadan. N guess wat, no one was there to film all of dis.hmmmmmm…… So, u still feel the emirati was correct with wat he did?

Is he “humiliated” because he assaulted someone or is he feeling humiliated because he got caught doing it? I suspect it’s the latter, and frankly either way it’s well-deserved. If you don’t want people to judge you for your crappy actions then you shouldn’t have done them.
And really, so what if he got a laugh out of it? Do you think he didn’t know the guy would have gotten away with it if he’d gone straight to the cops? Why shouldn’t he laugh at corrupt officials getting caught messing up on tape? The law is meant to uphold JUSTICE. It’s not simply a matter of “That’s the law”. Laws have to applied in certain ways, which is why we have things like trials to establish guilt based on the situation.

I’m going to say what Patrick didn’t: You ARE racist. You keep going on about how wonderful the Emiratis are and how they’ve been so patient with those horrible expats, like that’s a fact and not just your opinion, but you’re then willing to turn around and condemn all Indians based on your encounter with ONE like it matters.

i didn’t bother reading when i read “temperatures as high as Kuwait” It was stupid brother that also, anyways

i didn’t bother reading when i read “temperatures as high as Kuwait” It was stupid brother that also, anyways

I think the comments above serve as a great reflection of why laws and enforcement of them are so twisted here in the first place. Its because deep down people with the same mindset as Mariyam truly believe what’s coming out of their own mouths, regardless of how ridiculous it sounds to everyone else.

If it happened in Kuwait, at the avenues , the guy would have been stabbed.

If the culprit was trying to run away, after hitting someone’s car – he deserves a beating.

Nobody deserves to be assaulted. If he was running away, then note down his license plate number and get the police to deal with him. Hitting someone for angering you is something 3 year olds do, not middle aged civil servants.

So are we arguing that the laws in Dubai are not up to “our” standards?

I saw this a while back too, and here is what I took away from it:

1. Three laws were broken.

2. Laws were enforced by the police (which is by far the biggest win here, because in other countries laws exists but are not enforced – like the driving laws in Kuwait for example; or are enforced unevenly).

3. Dubai govt. officials publicly defamed the local who was assaulting the driver (this is unheard of in Kuwait).

So yes – maybe we don’t agree with putting the guy who filmed it in jail (just like we don’t agree with putting someone who defames public figures on twitter in jail), but that’s their laws and if they really wanted to change them – I think residents and citizens of Dubai have a BETTER CHANCE OF EFFECTING CHANGE than what we can do in Kuwait, and that is the biggest win that Dubai has.

Dubai may not be the best example out there; but clearly they are doing a better job and are actively improving their civil services and law enforcement. Only by acknowledging their errors and being direct with their public can government improve; and here is where I think Dubai is doing a great job; just look at how open their government is and how much they spend on streamlining public services.

I don’t think the post was about the standards in Dubai not being up to ours, just that some unfortunate things happen there that aren’t up to the high standards that Dubai have set for themselves. These examples posted in this post being two of them.

Well, I’m not sure what high standards have to do with bad apples; at least a good example of their standards is that both parties were dealt with as applicable under the law and the police even made a statement; so in my book that’s exemplary.

But don’t you think the guy who recorded the incident is being treated too harshly? It might be part of their law, but it’s something that needs to be amended imo.

Dubai is the best example out there? 7abibi no 3rab country is really a good example, the ONLY good example is the UK. THAT’S it

Dubai has brilliant leadership who enforce excellence, awareness and promote growth and development.

The admit mistakes and promptly rectify them. It’s truly the benchmark for all Middle East societies.

Dubai is superficial and artificial. They have yet to establish the basis and foundations for a civilized society. In Kuwait, while we may be considered behind in terms of technology… we have a powerful truly implemented constitution, a well established legal system and true civil laws. In my opinion, these are the tools which one should use to measure a country’s/communities development and advancement… and with this, we are at least five decades ahead of most GCC countries.

The greatness of a civilization is often measured by how the weakest members are are cared for and respected and give rights which they can enforce without fear. This journey to greatness sometime entails puppet shows of different kinds.

From the link above….
“Under UAE law, the Emirati who assaulted the Indian van driver faces up to a year in jail or a maximum of fine of up to AED10,000 for minor assault, while the Indian motorist who filmed and uploaded the video faces a maximum of two years in jail or a fine of up to AED20,000 if convicted of filming without permission or defamation.”

LOL

What happened is absolutely disgusting by the “Igal” guy . And if you gona take fasting as an excuse , then don’t fast . Leave people in peace , I think god and people will appreciate that much more .

yeah kuwait is very real.. just visit jleeb area and you know what is ” real” garbage everywhere filthy water from gutter everywhere on the road..nobody pays attention to all these problems and we criticize that dubai is artificial and superficial give due credit to dubai guys..
I have seen countless times locals here in kuwait doing the same to expats mostly Asian.. I have even seen a local guy entering in to a kptc bus and beating the driver black and blue just because he didn’t give him enough space to pass..
the point is this happens everywhere not just in dubai.. whistle blowers should be protected.. I have seen here in the forum that capital punishment is a deterrent to severe crimes similarly public shaming can be a deterrent to such attacks..

Lets assume another scenario.

The same indian delivery guy bangs into another indian guy’s Land Cruiser in india. He tries fleeing, and then gets caught.

I am pretty sure he’ll be treated worse, most probably be beaten to rags by the rich member indan parliament and his bodyguards.

Later he’ll be arrested for reckless driving, later may be charged for carrying drugs, and the odds are that women of his family will be dragged to police stations and would have to do what not just to get him off the hook.

The reporter/videographer in india may get away but only because no one will get to know who posted it. Authorities don’t go on such lengths in such ‘minor’ cases.

Here’s what shou;d’ve happened.

1. The culprit in the accident shouldn’t have tried to run (I am pretty sure the Emirati was enraged further because rather than stopping, apologizing for his mistake, the dude tried to outsmart him.
I don’t know, but when someone tries to outsmart me, I feel he’s insulting my intelligence.

2. The emirati should’ve taken the higher road and under no circumstances hit the guy. Lets be honest, under neutral circumstances without the fear of being deported, the indian would’ve responded better, or atleast defended himself properly.

3. The video guy – well I don’t know what the legal implications are, but the right thing was to call the police right away, he could’ve presented the video as a proof to the authorities.

Uh yeah lets speculate on an entirely fantasy based scenario to make informed decisions on real ones. good idea!

The guy who filmed the incident is a hero. He saw a crime happening and decided to film it. If not for his recording, the incident could’ve gone without justice. The Dubai police should be thanking him for assisting in the reporting of this crime by submitting video based evidence.

The family filing for defamation are making themselves look like idiots. They should “man up” that their family member did this atrocious act and should be apologizing, but instead their mentality is to file against the person who only recorded the incident? They’ve defamed themselves.

I can only imagine if the same incident occurred and it was an Indian beating on an Emiraty official.

The guy could have been a bigger hero by simply submitting the video to the police; or stepping out to stop the incident (like another person did in the video).

What he chose to do instead is post it publicly – which is against the law.

The family is in full right to exercise their options under the law; and their offending member also got reprimanded under whatever law applied.

So what is the problem exactly?

Dude,

Imagine someone catches on video your own father beating up a helpless driver over a dumb accident. Wouldn’t you feel fucking ashamed that he would act like that over a simple misunderstanding on the road? I’d be so disgusted if anyone I knew did that to any person. That family should feel the same way and try to apologize. Instead they file a claim against the person who is only recording the incident? Their mentality is “oh shit you got caught, file a law suit!” Like I said, they’ve defamed themselves. They have the right to do what they want, but it doesn’t stop them from looking like complete idiots.

Also, in most countries you are allowed to freely film or photography anything happening in a public space. The highway is a public space. I don’t know why this is even an issue and it’s laughable that you would require permission of the people being filmed before you start filming. That’s so counter intuitive and moronic.

The problem is not that he filmed it, the problem is that he posted it online and the contents of the film were defamatory to the person; in this case a local.

Dubai has strict customs when filming or photographing locals and you can get into serious trouble if you are not careful; its just their laws and I am sure that the guy knew exactly what he was doing because he later took down the video.

In most other countries as well, you are not allowed to film just anything anywhere. You can be asked to stop filming and your equipment can also be confiscated. Depending on what you were filming/doing you may also go to jail.

To you, the family may look like “complete idiots” but they are exercising their rights under the law and I don’t see anything wrong with doing that.

I don’t think you quite under what defamatory means. It’s the communication of a false statements that harms a person reputation. What exactly are they deeming false in the video shown above? Did the Emiraty actually not hit or beat the indian? Did the Indian actually not cower in fear? How are you going to argue that when we have video evidence. There’s nothing false being shown. The only person who damaged his reputation is himself by attacking a helpless driver.

I agree with you on the matter of he should’ve taken it to the police directly before posting it on youtube, and there is a hint of cynicism on the part of the uploader. Never the less I completely disagree with him having to serve jail time if that happens.

In regards to the rape incident… it’s purely disgusting and despicable. That woman should be free and her rapists should’ve been thrown in jail or hanged, but unfortunately Dubai is run under Sharia Islamic law. In Shaira law, you must present four witnesses to the rape or else you yourself will be punished. This is derived from the Quran, surra 24:4. Link here: https://quran.com/24/4

That is exactly what happened. She went to the police, claimed that she was rapped, and then when she could not provide the four witnesses, she herself was convicted of sex outside of marriage. Again, this is not some weird occurrence, this is the actual law based on what the Quran says. There are many more cases in which this has happened to women in many Islamic based countries. Do some research.

“Dubai is run under Sharia Islamic Law”
Yeah right!! Please tell me where in the Sharia is it allowed to have liquor vends and retailing pork? Oh come on now… please don’t be so naïve.

I’m not stating an opinion or making an unfounded claim. This is fact. Dubai is run under Shaira law. They’ve allowed the selling of alcohol and pork products to non-muslims, but as you can plainly see by the link about the Norwegian lady being thrown in jail for drinking, it’s extremely difficult to discern what is the actual law or not. Dubai is confusing in that regard.

Lol. You honestly can’t take the second to google search this information? Reply to me with information that contradicts my statement, don’t just do an ad hominem logical fallacy.

https://www.thenational.ae/thenationalconversation/comment/defining-sharias-role-in-the-uaes-legal-foundation

The main basis for Dubai law is from Sharia law. When you hear of stories like the one linked above, where a lady couldn’t provide four witnesses to her rape, drinking an alcoholic beverage which was deemed illegal, and saying that she had sex outside of marriage and that requires jail time, how can you possible sit there and argue that Sharia law wasn’t the basis for those laws? Please, I beg of you, tell me where they sourced that law if it wasn’t Sharia law. I’ve already provided proof in the case of rape incidents with a link to the exact Quran surra up above. Go ahead and link me a source or tell me where the source for those laws comes from instead of just typing “you lost all credibility.” Yeah, I lost credibility by showing the exact surra where the law came from and stating the fact that Dubai uses Sharia law. Totally. Lmfao.

Sharia law doesn’t mean you can apply it at your whim. Visit Cyclone and then come back and tell me how Sharia law is being applied.

Yousef?, U don’t have to hide under a muslim name to pervert the quranic verse.The verse u quoted

“And those who accuse CHASTE women and then do not produce four witnesses – lash them with eighty lashes and do not accept from them testimony ever after. And those are the defiantly disobedient,…”
does not talk about rape at all. Instead, it upholds the rights of women whom can be falsely accused of adultery. The 80 lashes is for the false accusers and not for women.

This clearly proves your intention behind all your statements and I hope this is enough for everyone here to understand the the real yousefq8.

“Yousef?, U don’t have to hide under a muslim name to pervert the quranic verse”

I honestly have no idea what you’re talking about. I communicated clearly that the four witnesses for a rape incident to be proven that it is actual rape is derived from that verse.

For your second paragraph response, again, I was stating where the four witnesses for rape was derived from in Sharia law. I was merely stating where the law was derived from. You are commiting a straw man logical fallacy, which is distorting what I said and then arguing on that point.

“This clearly proves your intention behind all your statements and I hope this is enough for everyone here to understand the the real yousefq8.”

Yeah, it clearly proves my intention to show you were the Sharia law was derived from so people can understand the situation better. I’m so evil? Lol.

Well,there is not even a remote reference to rape in the quranic verse that u have given. So u r still trying to paint ur perverted version of the quran here out of which no country in the world currently has taken their law.
I challenge u , no sharia law is there that asks for 4 witnesses to prove rape, infact islam allows all the latest medical technologies to be used to bring the perpetrator to bring to justice, which is public execution.

I honestly believe you have a difficulty with English or you are purposely putting words into my mouth and arguing from that point, known as straw man logical fallacy. I’m not arguing with you any further as it seems you have an agenda.

I whole heartedly suggest that you attempt to read information on this subject because you’re making yourself look extremely idiotic. The video news story linked above was absolutely clear with the whole issue of the girl being rapped and not being able to provide four witnesses. This has happened to many woman who have been punished because they couldn’t provide four witnesses. This happens all the time and it’s a part of Sharia law which is derived from the Quran. Go into google or into a library and research the topic for goodness sake before replying.

It seems that u have a problem with enlish rather, as the verse talks about adultery and you keep insisting that it is the basis for the sharia rape law. No sane person can take the law for rape from a verse which is talking about adultery.
Dubai courts asking for 4 witness in the name of sharia has nothing to do with sharia itself, let alone this quranic verse. It seems your research is confined to an agenda whilst accusing me of having an agenda. Read the following to enlighten urself https://islam.about.com/od/crime/f/rape.htm

A conscious woman has a choice to say yes or no.
An unconscious drunk woman only signals yes, yes and yes to anything. To be honestly a frunk is still guilty, it doesn’t have to be anything related to rape, a drunk could be walking out in the street and got a car, a drunk could be standing near a cliff and fall down. A drunk could be lying on the floor in a dark alley and any moment a thief could be pass be passing by and could steal and rape her. A person who drinks, knows that drinking makes the person’s mind blurry and can’t think nor focus.
So here’s the thing, she went to a party with her friends and she met qatari guys, from work, started drinking alot to the point of getting drunk.

And oh my, she woke up with another man in bed plus she’s late for work, who knows maybe she’s been late more than once to the point they’re about to fire her, if it was rape she could have talked to the hotel manager, her friends or her boss or her human resources manager or even the counselor from the place she’s working at. Goes to the police and tells them she got “drunk” on purpose and had sex with a stranger telling them she got raped, thinking that she’ll get sympathy and that her workplace would go easy on her giving her a free paid vacation to have fun for a month for a weekend pretend to be recovery. Oh and by the way did you cops could tell whether your lying or not such as looking at yours eyes, blinking constantly, voice pattern and so on.
If you still think I’m crazy or insensitive well guess what? If your reading this lets say I call the police and tell them you raped me 5 seconds ago, lets see if they believe you while your whole reputation gets ruined and your in jail for not commiting an actual crime. But what happens if they do find out that I lied? Oh my…. While you get away thanks to your innocence, the country is backwards and undemocratic ;9

And as for Maryiam, i don’t know what’s her nationality but its for sure she’s not a gulf Arab nor up from the north. More like Persian, Indian or Pakistani. Even if she says she is then she’s lying evidence is on Dubai talking about the sharia law even they did their in advancing and be open, this also leads questioning about racism on kuwait. And obviously her talking about democracy is that she’s in a western country.
About racism in the Middle East, is no there are not a single drop of racism. Say anything you like, there are evidence of Asian, European, and whatever race has been in marriage with the arabs.

Calling gulf arabs as racist, we were pushed into racism due to forgein greed, jealousy and assaults. Why? Oh no you Arabs have money, money and flashy, flashy stuff. You can’t have that! If we don’t then you shouldn’t too :p
Give us free stuff or your racist! Give us all you higher jobs or your backwards! Spend money on us not on yourselves, we don’t care if the oil runs out and tumor need to prepare your countries future disaster.
We’ll roar in laughter once oil runs out we would care any less to help you since your countries are only covered in sand and you’ll starve to death and be on poverty worst then Africa who has all the land vegetation and worse then India with all the beautiful natural habitats…..

Seriously who wants us? Our names, religion and race has been attacked, insulted and dehumanized. That’s why we take care and look after ourselves, it’s us first then people like you. Don’t ask me if I was in your place, go to the west and take advantage of these people and manipulate their sympathies towards you as usual your only here for the money ;9

I don’t care what nationality you have, but I can tell you that your education is seriously lacking just from this statement:

“About racism in the Middle East, is no there are not a single drop of racism. Say anything you like, there are evidence of Asian, European, and whatever race has been in marriage with the arabs.”

I can’t believe you (who seem educated) don’t know what is racism vs. racial discrimination or ethical discrimination.

Please pick up a dictionary, or heck, just go browse Wikipedia to find out what is racism exactly.

The rest of your post is just as lacking in any sense as that paragraph I quoted.

Fatemah, I am extremely disgusted by your morality. You’re saying if a person, whether they’re male or female, chooses to drink an alcoholic beverage then they deserve anything that happens to them, including rape? That’s really troubling that you actually believe that. I’m sorry but no one deserves that for any reason, even if they’ve had a drink or two. There is no justification for rape if the person is drunk because they deserve it for being drunk.

The scenario you spoke about… guess what? An Australlian woman also got rapped in Dubai and she did exactly what you described. Her drink was drugged by her rappists and she woke up the next morning with bruises all over her body and was rapped. She went to the hotel manager and tried to ask for help but they didn’t do anything at all, then she called her embassy and they said they wouldn’t help her, so she went to the police and they threw her in jail. Here’s the video news story:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWwMSm8EfS8

These women are victims of rape. No one deserves rape for any reason and I highly encourage you to change the way you think.

“About racism in the Middle East, is no there are not a single drop of racism”…. “we don’t care if the oil runs out and tumor need to prepare your countries future disaster”

You sound like an enraged spambot.

Lady, someone should autotune your rant; you could be the new Antoine Dodson: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMtZfW2z9dw

I’m actually not sure what you’re trying to say half the time but if you’re seriously trying to claim there’s no racism here then maybe you shouldn’t have proven yourself wrong on that point several times in your very own post.

Regarding rape, no, a drunk person isn’t saying yes to anything by drinking. Rape doesn’t become okay just because the person is an easy target.
And you are absolutely DELUSIONAL if you think cops can establish guilt by looking at people and hearing them talk. Put down the “How to spot a liar” book, it’s not foolproof (and neither are polygraphs!). Attitudes like yours are prevalent, which is why people are hesitant to report rapes at all, and even THAT is used against them (“if she was really raped, why did she take so long to report it?”). So even if we assume cops COULD determine guilt using some tricks you saw on a show once, imagine what a nervous person who has just undergone a SERIOUS TRAMA AND VIOLATION would sound like trying to tell someone about it, knowing full well they’re not likely to be believed and that they would instead be blamed for someone else’s CHOICE to rape them. When it comes to dealing with people like you, rape victims are damned if they do and damned if they don’t.
You’re disgusting.

Many western tourists do not realize that having sex without marriage is considered adultery in Dubai and is punishable by a jail term of no less than a year. So guys if you have a fight with your loved one and the neighbors complain to the police about the noise, you could both go to jail and not because of the noise, but because you are together under one roof without marriage. It happened to a British guy. Despite appearance Dubai is a Muslim city.

which is called hypocrisy ..

They should not bring Islam in if they allow prostitution, bars, night clubs and all that ..

Brain dead governments..

Then why is it that when I am in the UAE, I feel it is much more conservative than when I am in Kuwait? Just because you have legalized alcohol, albeit controlled, does not mean it is not a Muslim society. Is Lebanon or Jordan not a Muslim country? Most of it’s residents are Muslim?

basically implement what they feel like from the constitution and label it due to “Sharia law” etc .. politicians are trash bags so are many things in constitution – not only in UAE lol ..

People must be seriously educated on road rage. Accidents can happen and it can be anybody’s fault. Don’t beat up someone just because you got some paint on your expensive ride.

I was like that once, since common sense prevailed.

I’ve lived in Dubai for 4 years and lived all my life in Kuwait like many other expats (Born here). I can definitely say – Kuwait is a much better place to live in compared to Dubai – Let it be rents, expenses, FOOD, medical services and much more. (This is my experience).There is more “Showing Off” in Dubai more than anything else. Of course, it might be a good city to visit over the weekend, have a nice time and come back.

Haha .. Surely an expat who is enjoying a good life in Kuwait. Peaceful, good standard of living, savings, 4 holidays a year… 🙂 what more do you want from a country.

kuwait much better than Dubai ?? ROFL.. are you sure you are an expat? or have you applied for citizenship ? strange 😮

Bro, have you lived there ? Lets take one example , medical services. Over here, you pay a KD or two and get all the necessary treatment including major surgeries. God forbid someone needs medical help there, its nothing but a money minting profession. There are many instances which I don’t wanna go on about. In any case I mentioned its my personal experience 🙂 I also mentioned, Dubai is undoubtedly a lovely city to visit for a holiday but surely.. I’d chose Kuwait over Dubai to live in.

After reading all the comments i just realized the driver was still beaten and the women raped. Nothing changed the facts and nothing will until we get our head right.

Its sometimes ironic that we drew the borders and we are fighting over them and classifying people…lol

Dubai should be on mars, Kuwait on the moon…and other countries on other planets…then we could fight over it but the fact of the matter is that we are all from the same dam planet and fighting like little kids.

aren’t we more evolved than this ?

We all are the same.. Human Beings and we gotta agree on a common right and a common wrong.

The fact that blogs such as this allowing people to express their opinion, however mindless some of them are, are allowed to exist, says something positive about Kuwait.

No, it says something positive of the power of the Internet and the freedom of expression is provides.

It says nothing about Kuwait where you can be sent to jail over a tweet.

@Burhan Well try talking this way about Dubai, inside Dubai.
Regarding the “tweet can send you to jail, we have every right as the people of this country, to set our own rules to whoever criticize our national or religious idols. I’m not going to start the “if you don’t like leave it” arguement, but the HELL with western “democracy”, this is us.. Deal with it.

I don’t have a problem with the rules, as I chose to be here on my own accord and free will.

My point was that claiming one to be more free than the other is pointless.

This Dubai my dear!

This Muslim country! If not liking it then go back for emirka and filming everybody with not asking!

There are rules my dear! Cannot taking picture for everyone like NASA!!!

Why do they think they’re better than the Southeast asians who work for their country? Show off their “power” on them. Poor guy, he is human that’s what matters. Who cares if Dubai or whatever country is not perfect, let us focus on the main point, the mini bus driver should not be treated like that or should the “Emirati” guy lay his hands on him and treat him with such disrespect and humility. Human rights people!

The sad part is that the Emirati would never hit someone who was dressed like him, in a luxury car. This is where the can of worms opens up 🙁

We know so many good Kuwaiti/Arab people and all this is very very sad. Racism from a few spoil so much.

ultimate what happend the ppl not care about this type incidents and they think why should we are getting in trouble, i completely agree with mark, if this happend in european country the picture wll be different, just image if the person handover the video to dubai police may be he vll be charged another case….he…he.. anyway this all things attitude from the ppl

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